Martin Luther King: Science Advocate


  As a young atheist, I was fascinated by religious philosophy that attempted to square the circle that is modern science. And although my personal atheism hasn’t softened over the years, I have grown to understand that science and faith aren’t mutually exclusive. Which is why, when I first encountered the following quote by Dr. Martin Luther King, I don’t think it resonated for me quite the same way it does today:
  
  “Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power; religion gives man wisdom which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary. Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism.”
  
  And although I disagree that without religion, human beings are condemned to an amoral existence, I don’t believe that this was the point of Dr. King’s words. He didn’t say that religion prevents people from moral nihilism, he said that religion prevents science from such a fate. This is an important distinction. Science is the investigation of the natural world, and it often involves a manipulation of nature and development of new technologies. Both efforts have the potential to be beautifully informative, creative, and inspirational. But, unchecked, the potential for destruction and detriment cannot be ignored.
  
  Martin Luther King understood this concept fully, and he cautioned against the frighteningly awesome power that new technologies were bringing to the hands of men, especially in the wake of the Vietnam War:
  
  “Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
  
  Science is an interesting paradox, because it is, fundamentally, thought to be devoid of outside influence. Science is the investigation of nature. And as we all know, nature just is. But, science is a verb, an activity. Being so, it is carried out by people. It does not—it cannot—exist in a vacuum. And hard as we may try, human beings are simply incapable of any behavior that carries no bias, no moral or political persuasion.
  
  In the early sixties, Martin Luther King knew that the fearful men in power—the amoral majority—were bending “scientific findings” to suit their political ideologies. He was a champion of skeptical thought, and cautioned the public at large to be wary of such claims:
  
  “So men conveniently twisted the insights of religion, science, and philosophy to give sanction to the doctrine of white supremacy…they will even argue that God was the first segregationist. ‘Red birds and blue birds don’t fly together,’ they contend…they turn to some pseudo-scientific writing and argue that the Negro’s brain is smaller than the white man’s brain. They do not know, or they refuse to know, that the idea of an inferior or superior race has been refuted by the best evidence of the science of anthropology. Great anthropologists, like Ruth Benedict, Margaret Mead, and Melville J. Herskovits agree that although there may be inferior and superior individuals within all races, there is no superior or inferior race. And segregationists refuse to acknowledge that there are four types of blood, and these four types are found within every racial group.”
  
  He further writes that:
  
  “Slavery in America was perpetuated not merely by human badness but also by human blindness…Men convinced themselves that a system that was so economically profitable must be morally justifiable…Science was commandeered to prove the biological inferiority of the Negro. Even philosophical logic was manipulated [exemplified by] an Aristotelian syllogism: ‘All men are made in the image of God. God, as everyone knows, is not a Negro. Therefore, the Negro is not a man.’”
  
  Similar to sentiments communicated by Charlie Chaplin, when he mocked Adolf Hitler in The Great Dictator, Dr. Martin Luther King taught us that the power of humanity lies not only in its scientific capabilities, but in its moral sensibilities:
  
  “Through our scientific and technological genius we’ve made of this world a neighborhood. And now through our moral and ethical commitment we must make of it a brotherhood. We must all learn to live together as brothers—or we will all perish together as fools. This is the great issue facing us today. No individual can live alone; no nation can live alone. We are tied together.”
  
  I believe that Dr. King would be inspired by the ever growing collection of modern scientific studies evidencing our singular human ancestry. We are all children of Africa. In his honor, today, let us celebrate brotherhood, sisterhood—humanhood—and the scientific spirit that allows us to learn about the wonders of the universe as one unified people. — Cara Santa Maria

Martin Luther King: Science Advocate

As a young atheist, I was fascinated by religious philosophy that attempted to square the circle that is modern science. And although my personal atheism hasn’t softened over the years, I have grown to understand that science and faith aren’t mutually exclusive. Which is why, when I first encountered the following quote by Dr. Martin Luther King, I don’t think it resonated for me quite the same way it does today:

“Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power; religion gives man wisdom which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary. Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism.”

And although I disagree that without religion, human beings are condemned to an amoral existence, I don’t believe that this was the point of Dr. King’s words. He didn’t say that religion prevents people from moral nihilism, he said that religion prevents science from such a fate. This is an important distinction. Science is the investigation of the natural world, and it often involves a manipulation of nature and development of new technologies. Both efforts have the potential to be beautifully informative, creative, and inspirational. But, unchecked, the potential for destruction and detriment cannot be ignored.

Martin Luther King understood this concept fully, and he cautioned against the frighteningly awesome power that new technologies were bringing to the hands of men, especially in the wake of the Vietnam War:

“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”

Science is an interesting paradox, because it is, fundamentally, thought to be devoid of outside influence. Science is the investigation of nature. And as we all know, nature just is. But, science is a verb, an activity. Being so, it is carried out by people. It does not—it cannot—exist in a vacuum. And hard as we may try, human beings are simply incapable of any behavior that carries no bias, no moral or political persuasion.

In the early sixties, Martin Luther King knew that the fearful men in power—the amoral majority—were bending “scientific findings” to suit their political ideologies. He was a champion of skeptical thought, and cautioned the public at large to be wary of such claims:

“So men conveniently twisted the insights of religion, science, and philosophy to give sanction to the doctrine of white supremacy…they will even argue that God was the first segregationist. ‘Red birds and blue birds don’t fly together,’ they contend…they turn to some pseudo-scientific writing and argue that the Negro’s brain is smaller than the white man’s brain. They do not know, or they refuse to know, that the idea of an inferior or superior race has been refuted by the best evidence of the science of anthropology. Great anthropologists, like Ruth Benedict, Margaret Mead, and Melville J. Herskovits agree that although there may be inferior and superior individuals within all races, there is no superior or inferior race. And segregationists refuse to acknowledge that there are four types of blood, and these four types are found within every racial group.”

He further writes that:

“Slavery in America was perpetuated not merely by human badness but also by human blindness…Men convinced themselves that a system that was so economically profitable must be morally justifiable…Science was commandeered to prove the biological inferiority of the Negro. Even philosophical logic was manipulated [exemplified by] an Aristotelian syllogism: ‘All men are made in the image of God. God, as everyone knows, is not a Negro. Therefore, the Negro is not a man.’”

Similar to sentiments communicated by Charlie Chaplin, when he mocked Adolf Hitler in The Great Dictator, Dr. Martin Luther King taught us that the power of humanity lies not only in its scientific capabilities, but in its moral sensibilities:

“Through our scientific and technological genius we’ve made of this world a neighborhood. And now through our moral and ethical commitment we must make of it a brotherhood. We must all learn to live together as brothers—or we will all perish together as fools. This is the great issue facing us today. No individual can live alone; no nation can live alone. We are tied together.”

I believe that Dr. King would be inspired by the ever growing collection of modern scientific studies evidencing our singular human ancestry. We are all children of Africa. In his honor, today, let us celebrate brotherhood, sisterhood—humanhood—and the scientific spirit that allows us to learn about the wonders of the universe as one unified people.Cara Santa Maria

"Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism."

Martin Luther King Jr. on Science and Religion

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But in practice we are all bewitched by words. We confuse them with the real world, and try to live in the real world as if it were the world of words. As a consequence, we are dismayed and dumbfounded when they do not fit. The more we try to live in the world of words, the more we feel isolated and alone, the more all the joy and liveliness of things is exchanged for mere certainty and security. On the other hand, the more we are forced to admit that we actually live in the real world, the more we feel ignorant, uncertain, and insecure about everything.

But there can be no sanity unless the difference between these two worlds is recognized. The scope and purposes of science are woefully misunderstood when the universe which it describes is confused with the universe in which man lives. Science is talking about a symbol of the real universe. It is a convenient timesaver for making practical arrangements. But when money and wealth, reality and science are confused, the symbol becomes a burden.

Similarly, the universe described in formal, dogmatic religion is nothing more than a symbol of the real world, being likewise constructed out of verbal and conventional distinctions. To separate “this person” from the rest of the universe is to make a conventional separation. To want “this person” to be eternal is to want the words to be the reality, and to insist that a convention endure for ever and ever. We hunger for the perpetuity of something which never existed. Science has “destroyed” the religious symbol of the world because, when symbols are confused with reality, different ways of symbolizing reality will seem contradictory.

The scientific way of symbolizing the world is more suited to utilitarian purposes than the religious way, but this does not mean that it has any more “truth.” Is it truer to classify rabbits according to their meat or according to their fur? It depends on what you want to do with them. The clash between science and religion has not shown that religion is false and science is true. It has shown that all systems of definition are relative to various purposes, and that none of them actually “grasp” reality. And because religion was being misused as a means for actually grasping and possessing the mystery of life, a certain measure of “debunking” was highly necessary.

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What's your opinion on the science-religion compatibility topic?

I admit it’s a messy issue, and it is an issue, but not for everyone, especially those with an open mind (“but not so much it falls out”). There wont be any real discussions had if we continue to battle it out or treat the discussion of the two as some sort of battlefield with competing sides and yet.. that’s exactly what’s happening.

Neither sides, or at least a great portion of the sides want to really understand why is it that people do it and how important the two our to how we function. Instead one side argues the facts, the other argues the feelings. Neither of the two realizing how useful they’d be together. Religion adjusting to the truth, and science adjusting to the benefits of an organization. The kind of organizing and setting of goals, sharing of hopes and dreams that occurs in religion. The mantras that aid the mind and thus the body. There are many benefits from both and both can work together through the combination of the benefits the two have and allow the progression of our generations including ourselves to adjust to this new way of cooperating. As opposed to taking jabs at one another for years.

This coming from someone who wants absolutely nothing to do with most religions with the exception of like.. Buddhism. I believe people have their right to their own realities and beliefs as longs these beliefs aren’t harmful to ourselves, others and or our progression as a species. Nature didn’t thrive through survival of the fittest only, it thrived through the cooperation of species joining under many different threats.

If science approaches religion as a friend who merely wants to share ideas and vice versa, and it actually shows in people’s characters from both sides that such is the case.. I think there would come a point when the two combine and people adjust to finding wonder, awe, mysticism, spirituality from the truths of nature.

Because when you work as a group to say, cooperate with one another using the sharing of truths and only that (leaving out the religion-bashing and instead explaining/not arguing for your ideas in a respectful, thoughtful, compassionate manner — I mean come on we’re social creatures.) it becomes easier to be cool with others with different beliefs no matter how wild their ideas are to you. You don’t always have to be claiming how bad religion is (which irks me because there are so many religions that exist and it generalizes so many). I just think there’s so much more to the explanation of nature through the evolving tools of science that it doesn’t need to resort to competitive attitudes.

Understanding doesn’t just mean “getting” the facts. It also means having an idea of experiences outside your own and compassion on another level.

I honestly think people who believe science and religion can’t come to co-exist and or cooperate with one another have no creativity in their brain.


  Sky Unites Us
  
  The symbols of our civilizations, our religions, are all united under the same sky that appears as a single eternal roof above our shared home, the planet Earth. — Christoph Malin

Sky Unites Us

The symbols of our civilizations, our religions, are all united under the same sky that appears as a single eternal roof above our shared home, the planet Earth. — Christoph Malin

"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I’ve been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn’t have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I’m a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don’t have the evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn’t that I don’t want to waste my time."

"There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is founded on fact. To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. The human being is no exception to the natural order. Man, like the universe, is a machine. Nothing enters our minds or determines our actions which is not directly or indirectly a response to stimuli beating upon our sense organs from without."

"You wont learn to take hold of your mind through holy revelations, nor will you do so by claiming that science is the only way. You wont get a hold of it by booking a trip to the first foreign land you can think of. It starts with you, and it starts wherever you are at. If you can teach the mind how to be resourceful of itself no matter where it is and under what conditions.. you’ll always have a sacred temple to go to, and who knows what revelations and discoveries can be found within your own self. You never know, these truths you find within you can change the world forever."

Open letter to militant/extreme atheists:

You’re not going to give any new revelations or hope in the truth to those that would rather hold their beliefs with a tight grip. You don’t tell them what to believe, that was never the point. You can reblog as many articles, photos and quotes that demonize religion and the idea of human-like gods with a preference of atheism, science and its literacy but you’ll never grab the attention of those that really need or silently crave a new way of understanding. What do you then? tone that down, make it almost a rarity. Instead just show the discoveries made through such tools of knowledge, where they can take us, what they can do for us, show them how thoughts can be formulated with it and how to distinguish the difference between bullshitting and reality. In the end, if you express your own beliefs the same irrational and judgmental way a lot of traditional religions go about it by constantly discrediting other beliefs.. you [the lover of science who opposes religion] are not helping progress either, just creating more separation. Moral of the story? don’t stuff science or what you consider as the truth down people’s throats because just as you don’t like anthropocentric religions telling you what to believe, you don’t want someone else doing it to you. It comes off as cocky. Instead, I think we ought to educate on how to process the data around us, and the wonderful things that can be done with the data regardless of what religion a person subscribes to.

Show them that science understands the need for religion and why it even exists in our civilization but don’t knock them for believing it, these are things I think will either wither with time, or correct itself and join the dance of knowledge with an ever changing society. But there’s no need to wage a stupid war on beliefs; science vs. religion. We always want to pit things against one another without needing to, without understanding that they can all play nice together if we can just be more accepting of what religion originally aimed to do. Constantly crying “RELIGION IS JUST A FUCKING BOOK OF FAIRTYTALES AND YOU ALL NEED TO BELIEVE SCIENCE” is probably going to be the worst attitude in terms of informing anyone on anything. Yes, there are bad things brought on by religion and just as many brought on by science.. but here’s what most people leave out — these are just tools that help us live and understand life better, and not a way of life. Given that these are tools of humanity, they are subject to refinements and tinkering based on our ideals. So if religion or science has detrimental aspects it’s only because our own human nature lacks the right disciplines to live in a world where religion, science and even art are seen as useful tools that make life more understandable and bearable.

I just don’t think you’re doing science any favors when you start turning other tools into “the enemy”, indirectly creating this image of “us vs. them” all over again (as if we needed more of those). Focus on the good the tool does, and focus on how that good was brought on by our own nature and ability to be kind or curious. We don’t need more wars we need more understanding.. of both the outer [observable universe] and inner [the mind]. If we have people who are left behind it isn’t solely because of religion, it’s because we have little patience for people who don’t understand, we inadvertently shun them..

—Thoughts on ‘religion v.s science’

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Here Is What Some Schoolchildren in Louisiana Learn About Evolution

Fifth graders in some state-sponsored schools in Louisiana study both creationism and evolution as competing theories. “Fact or Theory?”

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Just a quick glance looks like it favors creationism pretty hard. And with tax payer money.

"All religions, arts, and sciences are branches of the same tree."

Albert Einstein (via scienceiskool)

and that is, the expression of nature in its diverse forms.

Fact Check: What a 9,000-Year-Old Earth Really Looked Like

U.S. House Rep. Paul Broun, a Georgia Republican, doesn’t believe in evolution, the Big Bang theory, or the teachings of embryology. In fact, in a Sept. 27 talk at LibertyBaptist Church in Hartwell, Ga., the member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, who is also a medical doctor, called those areas of science “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

Illustration: An artist’s conception of a rocky, Earth-like planet forming in a star system 424 light-years away. A belt of rocky material feeds the planet’s formation in this early stage.  Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/ C. Lisse (Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory) 

But Broun also advanced his own theory of life on Earth.

“You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth,” he said. “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.”

Broun’s creationist viewpoint stands in opposition to what scientific research reveals about the age of the planet. In fact, Earth formed 4.54 billion years ago — and humanity is rather lucky not to be seeing the planet on its 9,000th birthday. Earth was formed by the colliding and coming together of massive space objects called planetesimals, said Richard Carlson, a geochemist at the Carnegie Institution who has studied some of Earth’s oldest rocks. The force of the impacts would have melted rock, leaving Earth molten for hundreds of thousands of years, Carlson told LiveScience.

“Nine thousand years after the last giant impact — there likely were several big impacts during the growth of the planet — the surface of Earth, to a considerable depth, likely was molten rock,” he said.

Creationist beliefs

Broun is far from the only believer in a literal, or Biblical, creation. According to a Gallup poll conducted in June, 46 percent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, a creationist belief. Only 15 percent said they believed in evolution without God’s hand, while 32 percent said they believed in evolution guided by God.

That survey did not ask adults how old they believed Earth to be, but estimates based on literal interpretation of the Bible normally range from 6,000 to 8,000 years. (It’s not clear why Broun believes in a 9,000-year-old Earth.)

The most popular 6,000-year-old figure comes from James Ussher, a 16th-century Irish clergyman. Ussher, whose position as Archbishop of Armagh made him head of the church in Ireland, published two works in the 1650s using genealogies from the Bible to date the creation of the world to Oct. 23, 4004 B.C.

Other estimates differ based on the use of different Bible translations and whether biblical scholars take the Bible’s six-day creation period literally or assume the “days” to be longer periods of time.

What the science says

Scientists, on the other hand, have reached a surprisingly precise answer as to the age when Earth and the rest of the solar system began to solidify: between 4.567 and 4.568 billion years — the equivalent of knowing a person’s birthday within two days, Carlson said.

This age range is calculated using isotopes, or variants of chemical elements. For the purposes of dating the solar system, researchers use lead and uranium isotopes. They measure the ratios of different types of isotopes from Earth and from meteorites. Because these objects all formed from the same pool of cosmic dust and gas during the birth of the solar system, the measurements enable researchers to determine how long ago the objects separated from that common pool.

As it turns out, these numbers mesh quite nicely with the ages of the oldest rocks known on Earth, which would have formed after the planet stabilized and cooled. The best estimate for the age of the oldest rocks on Earth, found near Hudson Bay in Quebec, is 4.4 billion years, according to Carlson. (The date is somewhat controversial, with some scientists believing 3.8 billion years is a closer date for those rocks.) Meanwhile, the oldest mineral grains found on Earth, zircons from Western Australia, date back 4.36 billion years.

The cooling and solidifying of the planet likely happened quickly on a geologic time scale, on the order of hundreds of thousands to a million years, Carlson said. But Adam and Eve wouldn’t have found Earth hospitable for a very long time. Even at 2.5 billion years of age, the planet had a flip-flopping atmosphere that periodically looked like something you’d see on one of Saturn’s moons today.

The first evidence for life on Earth may be Australian stromatolites, fossilized bacterial mats that date back 3.5 billion years. More certain fossils peg life’s arrival to 2.7 billion years ago. Modern humans, by contrast, didn’t show up until 200,000 years ago.

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Fact Check: What a 9,000-Year-Old Earth Really Looked Like

U.S. House Rep. Paul Broun, a Georgia Republican, doesn’t believe in evolution, the Big Bang theory, or the teachings of embryology. In fact, in a Sept. 27 talk at LibertyBaptist Church in Hartwell, Ga., the member of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, who is also a medical doctor, called those areas of science “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

Illustration: An artist’s conception of a rocky, Earth-like planet forming in a star system 424 light-years away. A belt of rocky material feeds the planet’s formation in this early stage. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/ C. Lisse (Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory)

But Broun also advanced his own theory of life on Earth.

“You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth,” he said. “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.”

Broun’s creationist viewpoint stands in opposition to what scientific research reveals about the age of the planet. In fact, Earth formed 4.54 billion years ago — and humanity is rather lucky not to be seeing the planet on its 9,000th birthday. Earth was formed by the colliding and coming together of massive space objects called planetesimals, said Richard Carlson, a geochemist at the Carnegie Institution who has studied some of Earth’s oldest rocks. The force of the impacts would have melted rock, leaving Earth molten for hundreds of thousands of years, Carlson told LiveScience.

“Nine thousand years after the last giant impact — there likely were several big impacts during the growth of the planet — the surface of Earth, to a considerable depth, likely was molten rock,” he said.

Creationist beliefs

Broun is far from the only believer in a literal, or Biblical, creation. According to a Gallup poll conducted in June, 46 percent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, a creationist belief. Only 15 percent said they believed in evolution without God’s hand, while 32 percent said they believed in evolution guided by God.

That survey did not ask adults how old they believed Earth to be, but estimates based on literal interpretation of the Bible normally range from 6,000 to 8,000 years. (It’s not clear why Broun believes in a 9,000-year-old Earth.)

The most popular 6,000-year-old figure comes from James Ussher, a 16th-century Irish clergyman. Ussher, whose position as Archbishop of Armagh made him head of the church in Ireland, published two works in the 1650s using genealogies from the Bible to date the creation of the world to Oct. 23, 4004 B.C.

Other estimates differ based on the use of different Bible translations and whether biblical scholars take the Bible’s six-day creation period literally or assume the “days” to be longer periods of time.

What the science says

Scientists, on the other hand, have reached a surprisingly precise answer as to the age when Earth and the rest of the solar system began to solidify: between 4.567 and 4.568 billion years — the equivalent of knowing a person’s birthday within two days, Carlson said.

This age range is calculated using isotopes, or variants of chemical elements. For the purposes of dating the solar system, researchers use lead and uranium isotopes. They measure the ratios of different types of isotopes from Earth and from meteorites. Because these objects all formed from the same pool of cosmic dust and gas during the birth of the solar system, the measurements enable researchers to determine how long ago the objects separated from that common pool.

As it turns out, these numbers mesh quite nicely with the ages of the oldest rocks known on Earth, which would have formed after the planet stabilized and cooled. The best estimate for the age of the oldest rocks on Earth, found near Hudson Bay in Quebec, is 4.4 billion years, according to Carlson. (The date is somewhat controversial, with some scientists believing 3.8 billion years is a closer date for those rocks.) Meanwhile, the oldest mineral grains found on Earth, zircons from Western Australia, date back 4.36 billion years.

The cooling and solidifying of the planet likely happened quickly on a geologic time scale, on the order of hundreds of thousands to a million years, Carlson said. But Adam and Eve wouldn’t have found Earth hospitable for a very long time. Even at 2.5 billion years of age, the planet had a flip-flopping atmosphere that periodically looked like something you’d see on one of Saturn’s moons today.

The first evidence for life on Earth may be Australian stromatolites, fossilized bacterial mats that date back 3.5 billion years. More certain fossils peg life’s arrival to 2.7 billion years ago. Modern humans, by contrast, didn’t show up until 200,000 years ago.

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"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. … For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition."

Albert Einstein, 1954. (via Letters of Note)

"The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity."

Alan Watts

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Do you believe in God? i'm curious.

The anthropomorphic god? No. Don’t need it. Spinozism’s (nature, the physical laws, its extensions and what else lies out there) god? yes. I’ve long ago abandoned the need to believe in something I’m told just because I’m told or taught to even if it disagrees with new observations, to do so I feel I’d be asking to live in delusion all for the sake of brief solace. That’s a very dangerous train of thought to embrace in my opinion since you’re bound to be expectant of life despite it not owing us a thing. I’d rather ask and question things, not ask for what makes me feel right. Nature provides enough wonders without me needing to find consolation in what outdated conventional faiths have to offer. This is my personal view and it isn’t permanent, it changes as I grow.